Mewtwo has a higher BST than Arceus in both his mega evolutions. I say Arceus would be Mewtwo in the anime. It killed defeated Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. The only types in the game to resist PSychic are Dark and Steel, but a Arceus of either type would be vulnerable to Mewtwo's Aura sphere. Mewtwo and his fully-evolved Kanto starters could go Mega (along with that Gyrados... aaand I don't remember the rest), and we all know that Megas are pretty powerful in their own right. But Mewtwo is the ultimate fighting machine cloned from the origin of all pokemon, Mew. Ray Mega evolves and goes to town on the two of them with Dragon Ascents and Draco Meteors. This is the place for most things Pokémon on Reddit—TV shows, video games, toys, trading cards, you name it! This is the place for most things Pokémon on Reddit—TV shows, video games, toys, trading cards, you name it! Get ready for the latest Pokémon movie, Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life! You are indeed where you belong. Arceus tries to whip out his plates, Ray and Mewtwo knock those shits away from him. It can also use the plates to protect itself from Mewtwo's attacks, and just retaliate with a super-effective move. Mewtwo isn't even a factor, he needs Mega Stones to Mega Evolve but like Arceus' plates, when he's against a god and a god killer they're not going to let him use them. Arceus > any 1 (and maybe even 2) of Rayquaza, Deoxys, and Mewtwo. Arceus is basically god itself and would probably take them all down easily. If Naruto is still to much add in Hoopa and Arceus. I'm trying to include the least amount of spoilers I can, so here goes. A Tale Untold. People tend to forget that Mewtwo is the one and only Pokemon that is a bonafide genius unlike the mindless raw power of the dragon trio and the relatively easy-to-deceive Arceus. FINALLY, LOGICAL POKEFANS! Pokemon Company should make a movie and bring back the hardcore Mewtwo from the first movie. Well In-Game it's Mewtwo due to him being capable of Mega Evolution and thus gaining additional stats which allows him to overcome Arcues in terms of BST. The other argument I've seen made that addresses story-related concerns is that Mewtwo, as a human-made Pokémon, has the potential to surpass Arceus's strength because he wasn't actually made by Arceus. See what happen to Dialgina,Palkia and Giratina They got owned.Attack just go pass him.What about Mewtwo.NO HECK. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I think I've seen this discussion a couple times before. JavaScript is disabled. Commander Jupiter led the operation to capture Uxie, and overcame resistance from Maylene, … Used to battle inside the game, not in the fictional universe, the anime movie representation. (However Arceus has Extremespeed which could come into play.) Can Arceus be the "Pride" in this situation; is there a creator of Arceus? You must log in or register to reply here. For one, Arceus doesn't have the highest BST anymore. All are bloodlusted. mewtwo wasn't created by dr fuji but whatevr. If he's holding Ghost...well Mewtwo's pretty much fucked except he's got Shadow Ball if he can survive a hit. Mewtwo isn't cloned, he's a genetically modified version of Mew, meaning he's isn't the same. THANK YOU! This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Press J to jump to the feed. And there's obviously the fact he's the Pokemon equivalent of a god or a higher power. If Arceus created the whole universe out of chaos, that would include Deoxys's planet, and/or the virus that Deoxys mutated from. In the Pocket Monsters DP manga. Also just to point out, if we're talking about their game variants then M-Ray wins every match with Dragon Ascent.Game Freak really fucked up when they made that move and gave it to M-Ray. Obviously Arceus. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Game- Mewtwo has better moves in my opinion, but Arceus has better stats. No matter how you look at it, it would be a long, dragged out battle with plenty of filler, then they would both either fade, or make up their differences. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Has anyone on here pit these two up in a simulator to see how the match would play out? Ok, so if Arceus "created" all Pokemon and Dr. Fuji created Mewtwo does that mean that Mewtwo is the only potential Pokemon who could fight and win against Arceus? So Mewtwo can just mind rape them. A little too obvious. Composite for Pokemon to make it fair. Normal Mew2 can't mindrape a Rayquaza when it's practically flying donuts around Mewtwo so s/he (depending on which Mewtwo) can't focus. Fight takes place on Earth. Everything is over when Arceus ends the world XDD, Mewtwo and the clones, obviosly arceus and the trio are outnumbered by 1000 vs 4, besides arceus is on a low place in my faves, number 10 vs number 6. Hell Mega Rayquaza is a better of the two. And Giratina could drag Mewtwo into the Distrotion World, where it would have the clear advantage and destroy Mewtwo. How? Mewtwo hasn't been the strongest Pokemon for a long time, and when he was it was because Psychic was a stupidly unbalanced type in Gen I. Arceus has been clearly established as the Alpha and Omega of the Pokemon world (before Mega-Rayquaza was created, at least) level 2 Mega Mewtwo, both X and Y, have higher BST's and Arceus does. MMX... is part Fighting. Arceus would put up a good fight as he can change type with his plates but his opponents would do everything in their power to stop him from using them. If there is, this severely limits Arceus' power, making it limited, in contrast to popular belief. Neither Rayquaza or Arceus have shown anime mindrape resistances right? Arceus is now furious at Mewtwo and is about to deliver a full-powered judgment attack, but is knocked down by a well-placed kick coming from the only other uber that would be immune to Arceus's control, Deoxys. I just feel that Arceus or any member of the Dragon trio is much more powerful than Mewtwo, and even if he had a much, much larger army than he did in the First movie, I still say A&TDT. In the chapter, the homunculus, Pride, tells Riza Hawkeye that he was the "Original One". Mewtwo may have a higher BST, but Arceus with a dark plate is immune to psychic. If it is as powerful as it is in the games, and can use the powers it had to create the Pokemon universe, it will be unstoppable. Or, maybe it's the other way around, because there are a few things I can't remember... no. JavaScript is disabled. Mewtwo is a genetically-modified clone of Mew and is generally considered to be more powerful than the original, so you could make the argument that Mewtwo, a human-made Pokémon who is stronger than a natural Pokémon, is potentially exempt from being below Arceus because he's not one of Arceus's creations. Cheers! Rayquaza has a Mega Evolution that uses a signature move that Mewtwo is weak to (MMY is paperthin physical stats. JavaScript is disabled. While Arceus, being light on priority moves, would not be able to capitalize on Mewtwo's comparatively lower defenses before Mewtwo struck. Still looking for a good quote, so you better be funny damnit.​. On the Porygon topic, there is a slight difference. Who will win between the gods of creation, time, space, and antimatter and Mewtwo and army of clones from first movie. (However Arceus has Extremespeed which could come into play.) It would be a small wonder for Mewtwo to be able to come up with a solution to defeat the trio and Arceus. Press J to jump to the feed. In the game, Arceus with a Dark Plate using Judgement? Arceus, hands down. Arceus is a Normal-type Legendary Pokémon. Hell Mega Rayquaza is a better of the two. Press J to jump to the feed. You must log in or register to reply here. Seeing as the basis of this contest is on the movies, this contest belongs to the Anime's Grand Festival section. Arceus has no plates, and Mewtwo has no Mega Stones Mewtwo has access to all moves learned by leveling up (more than 4 moves) Arceus has access to all moves learned by leveling up (more than 4 moves) No stat-boosting natures (for simplicity) I dunno, I was just wondering that. Mewtwo is the superior between them. All three turn up at a specific place. Who needs stats when you've got an 80 BP 2+ priority move coming off of 120 base attack, boosted by a Swords Dance? Palkia could distort space to render the clones useless. Dragon trio and Arceus no contest even thought Mewtwo and his clones are very powerfull they would lose as they could take out the clones easy and Mewtwo would be out numbered. And since Mewtwo wasn't made by Arceus, he could theoretically surpass him, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. People tend to forget that Mewtwo is the one and only Pokemon that is a bonafide genius unlike the mindless raw power of the dragon trio and the relatively easy-to-deceive Arceus. This is for captured pokemon, however, as there's some lore stuff about Arceus taking a nerfbat to the face when captured. Eventually, victory is theirs. Giving it to Rayquaza because his Mega Evo is beyond godlike. Uxie appeared in PMDP13 along with the other members of the lake guardians.. I just figured I'd share the side of the argument that most people may not consider. Both of Mewtwo's Mega Evolutions surpass Arceus's BST by 60, as does Mega Rayquaza. However, Arceus is still a strong Pokemon (especially considering that he isn't capable of Mega Evolution) - should he ever gain a stat-boosting form change (maybe he'll have something special such as Primal Reversion) he'll stomp. Mewtwo has a higher BST than Arceus in both his mega evolutions. It even froze time at one point. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Deoxys heals Mewtwo and they join forces in an all-out assault against Arceus. It would be a small wonder for Mewtwo to be able to come up with a solution to defeat the trio and Arceus. Start of shippuden Naruto Sasuke. There have been good cases for both sides. Of course this is just meta game talking, Well me and my friend went on pokemon showdown(pokemon battle game for online that key you make a team with your choice of IV/EV/moves) each time it would be a team of one arceus VS one mewtwo. He's the creator of universe who take down dialga, palkia, and giratina with ease.