Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Give Sonic chargeable Ancient Light field of effect attack, Magic Hands from SA2 grab range, aerial flame dash for side air or at least the Advance 1 air dash, etc. Hey this is actually incorrect. I would've give him Tails for up B or Spark Shield Jump. KEN is a grad student doing research so doesn't really come to the US. ... Super Smash Con 2019: Sonix 6WX: 1 … I still wish he had his Sonic Eagle axe kick from Sonic Battle as his forward air. Very few Smash characters ever get changes to their special moves. If it genuinly ruins the meta in the future then yeah, sure, ban WiFi sonic, but until we actually see him win almost every event I see no reason to immediately say he should be banned. With all the input lag of wifi it's a lot harder to react to fast stuff like Sonic's spin dash, which gets used constantly. Sonic Updraft is basically Fox's up smash and could have been used. ", especially if you're playing one of the many characters he tramples. Press J to jump to the feed. Watch the RelaxAlax video on Brawl's development. Wrath is a high school student that doesn't travel. Members. Sonic Updraft is basically Fox's up smash and could have been used. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Look up SuperGirlKels. Sakurai is the director for this game, though, so he's the one who's got to hear the feedback and get the right people on board with the idea. I wish they changed his moveset so he wouldn't be so tedious to play/watch. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Krebs's tournaments are notorious for never having sonic mains enter, so as a joke he banned sonic, this is like when that one local in spain banned bayo, and literally nothing notable came out of it. Sonix is a WiFi warrior (only 3 offline tournaments), Wrath only competes close to or in Georgia, KEN only plays in Japan bar Kongo Saga. truth be told, I've been doing a lot more lurking ever since quarantine started, but it's fucking hilarious to see this sub up in arms about sonic. I’ll probably still play with him a lot when the game comes out, but I just feel disappointed that Sonic was barely changed aside from a new dash and revamped final smash. Nair the insta shield: it extends his hitbox just a little bit if you tap A again which gives him a little bit of invincibility (s3&k.) I don't think it was hard for nintendo to convince konami at all as well.Those people really don't give a crap. Sonix doesn't have great results in DR (he's still #1 though) but in the US he has 4 top 21 losses (Nairo, Maister, Zackray, Lea) + number 34 at the time Yeti and Plup who is still really good. Sonic Flare 100% should have been Sonic's forward smash, it's basically a break dance spin kick and it made so much more sense as a forward power attack than a punch for Sonic. Using Reddit. Off the top of my head, sakurai was happy enough to change the functionality of marth's shield breaker, add fludd to Mario, completely rework Bowser and Yoshi, change falco's shine, and probably more. One of my biggest wants for his return in Smash 5 (If he was to return) was that they gave him a new side special. I'm not that knowledgeable on Smash 4 and I don't watch many events, but I was just wondering, what makes people not like him? I really wish Sakurai was more willing to change characters. Also, Sonic is much better online because you can’t react to spin dash. Maybe it won't change, in which case the criticism is still correct and valid. She's been doing spin dash camp timeouts for a while now. I can be satisfied with the rest of his moveset. Just wanted to get that out of the way before we begin. Sonido is the one that travels the most but he's also the one that has the least impressive results. Fair sonic eagle: a cool spike for sonic (sonic battle.) Don't know why Sonic stays so stagnant. r/smashbros. Honestly custom moves could have solved this. Sonix is a smasher from the Dominican Republic who mains Sonic in both Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Super Smash Bros. Sonic Flare 100% should have been Sonic's forward smash, it's basically a break dance spin kick and it made so much more sense as a forward power attack than a punch for Sonic. Continue browsing in r/smashbros. KEN is still easily top 20 and double eliminated MkLeo in May 2019, along with getting 3/4 at Umebura SP3/4. I don’t think it’s so much Sonic but the people who cheese REALLY HARD when using him. General Recent changes Pending changes Random page. I usually find Sonic boring to watch too. I know this might sound like I’m nitpicking, but when you compare him to Pac-Man, Megaman, or heck, even Ryu, it’s clear a lot of care and effort was put into making these guys faithfully represent their respective franchises, with epic stages and tons of remixes for the former two, whereas Sonic just feels rushed and lackluster in almost every aspect. He seems to get a lot of hate similar to Jigglypuff in Melee. Wrath is a high school student that doesn't travel. Some people find the spinning sound incredibly annoying because it's so high pitched in this game. 704k. Also in regards to punching, he looks like he's about to give Eggman a nasty fist in the Colours opening so it's not entirely without precedent, and the wind-up animation makes a visual parallel to things like the super-peelout/spindash/spinning his foot in SatAM. 2.7k. In the right hands sonic … I think it's partly due to how Sega wants him represented, same with the rest of the third-party characters and their respective companies (except Capcom because they don't give a crap :p). If getting attention for his tournament is what he wanted then he certainly accomplished that goal. people hate sonic when they only use the special button. Down smash sonic flare: sonic does a little breakdance which sends his enemies horizontally up to lead into sonic eagle like in battle. I get that his DownB and SideB are technically different moves, but they’re almost practically the same and this was probably due to the fact he was added so late into Brawl’s development. The same spin dashy, time outy tactics get used offline too. The fact is, they had plenty of time to fix this issue and give him a unique move, and it’s not like there aren’t any moves they could’ve given him. Ganon) I can’t say that I’m not a little disappointed that Sonic still has such a boring moveset to work with. None of them really travel that much. Sonic is the cause of a character's "worst matchup" the most, and nearly invalidates some characters if he fully commits to playing campy if that is how that mu goes. Sm4sh was better about this than Brawl). r/smashbros: Welcome to Reddit's finest Smash Bros community! But two spin dashes makes no sense and is just completely lazy. Looks like this streamer is doing it more for the meme for one tournament anyway. Doesn't help that these big wifi events aren't region locking. Before I get into the meat of my rant, I want to stress the fact that this is not something huge or dealbreaking, nor is it some huge issue that needs to be adressed or fixed. With Smash Ultimate on the horizon and Sakurai’s emphasis on adressing longtime problems with older characters (i.e. or "Piece of cake! liquipedia Smash. Also wifi is really bad so people get upset more easily about camping. about careers press advertise blog. But I can see how you wanted different special. So many other characters in smash have similar attacks like DK and Mario so why not use Sonic's signature attacks from the only real Sonic fighting game at the time? It gets really annoying. It's valid feedback. KEN is a grad student doing research so doesn't really come to the US. Don't forget that Australia banned Hero. He is known as a Wi-Fi Warrior, consistently placing highly in Wi-Fi tournaments, as well as one of the best players in his country. That's probably going to happen come evo to(Who am I kidding almost every wifi tournament is going to have a group of sonics hoping to win money). He’s fast and people just do drive-bys with him. Stream Page. Sm4sh was better about this than Brawl), they picked some of the lamest stages from his series when there are so many amazing locations to pick from spanning the entire series, and he’s gotten a total of 1 original remix for the games. Some people would certainly be annoyed if characters they have always played were changed much though(see Falco's post Melee shine), so I can see where he is coming from. I'm not even a huge Sonic fan and I'm disappointed with his moveset. Sonic's definitely needs to change though, because you can't justify it from the perspective of representation or gameplay or anything else. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Sonic is the cause of a character's "worst matchup" the most, and nearly invalidates some characters if he fully commits to playing campy if that is how that mu goes. Welcome to Reddit's finest Super Smash Bros. community! I thought it was done to avoid conflicts with copyrighted Sonic fan characters? What's the difference? Sonix doesn't spend money he wins towards going to other tournaments, so the only way he's traveled to the US is if he's funded. This is just one streamer’s small tourney right? In fact when it comes to third party characters (and pokemon) having crappy barely different palette swap options, it's their owners (and The Pokemon Company) that is to blame for it, not Sakurai. The problem might be that Sakurai is reluctant to change up character's movesets too much, particularly specials. This is like that “duck hunt banned, sorry Kyle” ruleset that was going around this sub at the beginning of the game’s life. I assume a lot of the Sonics don’t travel. Spin dash is hard to punish and is usually extremely safe which leads to ultra-defensive plays and timeouts, The spin dash sounds is UNREAL levels of annoying for most people (like me) and I have to mute the stream whenever Sonic comes on, Generally, he's not very fun to watch or play against so you have both viewers and players routinely voicing their disdain for him, He can be by far the campiest character. They could have been a way to mix up a character's moveset(with customs that were actually unique) while still letting people play the character in the old way. There's isn't a lot of interaction that actually happens during games if the Sonic decides to play campy and so it just stops being fun. He has a ton of reused assets from other fighters and his specials were similar so they could squeeze him in last minute to Brawl.